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Author: | mycajah [ Sun May 16, 2004 7:54 am ] |
Post subject: | horticultural dry molassas vs. livestock dry molassas |
I am curious about the differences between the two types of dry molasses. I am currently operating under the premise that dry molasses, produced for feed, can be applied in an agricultural setting with success. Has anyone tried this and at what rates? I am involved with a land restoration project in southern Brewster County on a very large piece of property. We are in a testing phase and will mix dry molasses in with other variables, including; erosion control blankets native grass seeds transplants PAM seed trenches compost tea organic dams brush piles At this point I don't really care what comes up, I'd take tumble weeds. Large portions of this property are bare soil with a durable physical crust, so any thing that treats soil health is in our tool box. Remoteness, highly erodeable soils and rough terrain makes the use of equipment impractical. |
Author: | Robert D Bard [ Sun May 16, 2004 8:20 am ] |
Post subject: | dry molasses |
I have only found two type of molasses- dry and liquid (feed store has cattlac that is used for feed and sells for 1 dollar per gal). If you have any way to spray it will be considerably cheaper than dry molasses. If you are restoring it would be in your best interest to use either dry humates or liquid. This helps build organic matter and it detoxifies the soil. We also use humates to detoxify humans to get rid of the chemical toxin that we are exposed to that cause cancer, heart disease, depression, etc. I am restoring pastures with sea water, humates, and molasses. All three of these have trace minerals (sea water is the best). I will have non-certified organic hay for our grass fed non-chemical beef. One other choice is compost. If you could find something like tons of grass clippings and through it out it would help stop the erosion and builf the soil. Hope this helps. Robert D Bard |
Author: | mycajah [ Sun May 16, 2004 9:49 am ] |
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I have purchased dry molasses, designed to be used as feed, in 50 lbs sacks. It is granular or flakey. According to this website, "horticutural dry molasses" is molasses sprayed onto organic debris, nut shells or or something like it. So the feed type will release more "stuff" (organic acids) and I think should be applied at a lesser rate. Any idea what rate? HOw does the seawater help? |
Author: | Robert D Bard [ Sun May 16, 2004 10:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | dry molasses |
Sugar will break grass, leaves, etc faster - molasses is a form of sugar. You can drill into stumps and put jelly, sugar, molasses, or anything like this and it will help things rot faster. Sea water is the perfect fertilizer. It has 92 trace minerals, amino acids, enzymes, beneficial bacteria. When it is diluted properly the saline content is the same as our tears and what is in our blood. With out the salt the trace minerals are not absorbed. It is impossible to eat healthy today unless you grow it yourself to add trace minerals. There are virtually no trace minerals in any food today. I raise wheat grass in the house hydrophonically in stainless steel trays and sea water. This gives me total nutrition - vitamins, minerals, amino acids, enzymes. This also restores pastures and hay meadows so that the grass fed beef we raise is healthy for us instead of the stuff at the stores. I don't what you are paying for dry molasses but I bet you can't buy it as cheap as liquid molasses. Robert D Bard |
Author: | mycajah [ Mon May 17, 2004 4:30 pm ] |
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I don't have a way to spray the liguid molasses. The 50 lb bags were $11.50. |
Author: | Kathe Kitchens [ Mon May 17, 2004 5:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Rejuvenating soil |
Can you get some humate or animal manure? Those will help to enrich the soil and encourage wild species to grow. Any kind of organic material you could get to dump on the soil or spread will help. In combination with the molasses, which will speed the decomposition, it will bring the soil back to life. Straw, shredded tree trimmings or material from cleared land, etc. any of these sources of organic material will help the soil revive. Best of fortune. We sincerely hope you are successful. Kathe |
Author: | Pamzilla [ Sat May 22, 2004 1:22 pm ] |
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We amended five acres last fall. Here is how we used molasses. We bought dry molasses from our local feed store at less than $10/50 lbs. As little as 50lbs per acre is useful. From there up to 400lbs per acre is economical for large acreage. We took the middle road at 200lbs per acre. We spent one day spreading molasses, green sand, and lava sand with a four-wheeler pulling a 100lb capacity spreader from Tractor Supply. Caution: All three amendments are impossible to spread moist or even on humid days. We broadcasted clover, rye and if I remember wheat. Well the grass flourished and now three fat horses graze there. Speaking of animals, livestock can actually help land recover viability. Even attracting deer helps. I wish you lots of success. Feel free to email me if you have questions. |
Author: | Robert D Bard [ Wed May 26, 2004 1:13 am ] |
Post subject: | dry molasses |
You can also feed DE to worm horses and cows and the part they expell will improve pastures as the left overs are loaded with trace minerals. I have not put out lava sand as I have not decided how it will come out of a spreder when I get it dry. I was also conderned that if it was dry it would probably "eat" the blades on on the spreader. I am hopping that someday my humate supplier will be able to custom mix humate + lava sand + DE (DE we think will keep mixture from absorbing moisture out of the air. Any thoughts will be appreciated. Robert D Bard |
Author: | mycajah [ Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:04 pm ] |
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How is it that you think DE will keep your mix from absorbing moisture out of the air? |
Author: | Robert D Bard [ Tue Jun 01, 2004 11:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | dry molasses |
Randy that sell humates says that it will and I am open to suggetions. Robert D Bard |
Author: | Pamzilla [ Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:10 am ] |
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Many materials react differently to moisture levels in the air. Molasses in humidity gets stickly, lava sand and green sand get heavy and clumpy. DE on the other hand, as long as it isn't directly sprayed with water, won't absorb air moisture. The idea is to balance out the sticky, clumpy properties to get a reliably spreadable material. Haven't tried DE yet but cornmeal helps too. Robert: We have spread the sands with push spreaders and pull behind ATV spreaders and other than the moisture problems the spreaders didn't seem to have a problem. |
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